fifi69 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Was the whole point of the 457, to enable employers to get people to Oz in a quick timescale? With the economy slowing, there are already fewer opportunities for 457 sponsorship anyway and now there is a financial "hit". I would say that for people already out there with school age children, it can only be see as unfair. can only speak for OHs employer, but yes the 457 was used to get people here quicker. They needed the staff and couldn't get locals because they Didnt want to know, mainly because much better wages doing Fifo. the employer also uses the WHV visa for people under 31, then would apply for a 457 once here. They aren't breaking any laws it was just handy and to be fair to them they do pay for the PR if that's the route the employee wants to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraighttothePoint Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Of course that's right, but what about when you've done your research, do your figures and out of the blue they change the goal posts. When we first looked into it, there was lafha, by the time we got here it had been abolished!! or like the family coming this month, they too have done their research, but they couldn't take today's news into the equation now could they. They've rented there house, given notice to employers, sold stuff etc etc. I'm sure this news will put them in a bit of a pickle As I said in this thread or the other one you cannot trust the Australian government at State or Federal level not to pull a stunt like this. It is election year and part of this is partly about keeping K-Rudd in his job, and partly to help make up a shortfall in the public purse in WA, and of course there will be casualties along the way. Coming 12k miles to another country and assuming the goal posts will not change is of course understandable but nothing surprises me in Oz anymore after 10 years of living here and certainly not these changes. It is unfortuante but it is what it is and there will of course be people who hurt more than others with the changes. As for the family coming out now then they could not come, rent another house and stay put and try to get their jobs back. Or they could come out knowing what they have to do. I am not unsympathetic to these cases just a realist and as I say nothing surprises me here especially in an election year. For those that are planning to come, and who still can get a 457, then they will do so with their eyes open hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveakaginge Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 this visa should be abolished end of .................... Gobsmacked, that you say that, truly My wife is 52, I'm 59, and this is our only option as a visa, we have looked and looked. She is being employed by a responsible, and very prominent employer, without a 457, they could not of employed her, and the post has been advertised in Australia for 9 months. As I said.......Gobsmacked, and that's me being restrained!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraighttothePoint Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Gobsmacked, that you say that, truly As I said.......Gobsmacked, and that's me being restrained!!!! Don't be because there has been a number of people, politicians et al saying this in Australia for a while now. Abolishing the 457 and replacing it with other more seemingly credible types of visas as a solution would not stop you in your tracks, or stop employers sourcing overseas labour, it would just mean a different visa type and application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi69 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 To be fair I don't believe Elfie was being nasty or posted with the intention of putting anyone down for using the 457. if I remember rightly her OH was made redundant from his post, not long after they arrived. This was under the old rules of the 457, where you only had 30 days to find a new sponsor or you had to leave the country. I would imagine that kinda stress alone would colour your judgement on the visa. even though things have worked out fine for us, it wasnt all plain sailing on the 457. As a spouse, I did find it difficult to find work, even now I'm still only temping. A lot of employers won't touch you on this visa, with many jobs only open to PR or citizens. my daughter got offered a job with a international company. When she turned up for work HR turned her away telling her that she had no work rights on a 457 !!!. Even sending links to the immi website and our agent getting involved Didnt cut the mustard, they wouldn't budge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Don't be because there has been a number of people, politicians et al saying this in Australia for a while now. Abolishing the 457 and replacing it with other more seemingly credible types of visas as a solution would not stop you in your tracks, or stop employers sourcing overseas labour, it would just mean a different visa type and application. But currently, isn't it the only one where age isn't a barrier? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plimthing Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) What sucks is, the rules have changed since I have my visa issued, just moved out my house, booked flights, worldly belongings on a Danish container in the middle of English channel, in the last week of my notice period at work, new employer desperate for me to arrive...........Oz government is just as shoddy as Uk, whats up-are they upset about the ashes? Hells c***ting teeth, what am I letting myself in for..... Sorry I am on a temporary toretts visa. Edited August 8, 2013 by ali edited expletives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) What sucks is, the rules have changed since I have my visa issued, just moved out my house, booked flights, worldly belongings on a Danish container in the middle of English channel, in the last week of my notice period at work, new employer desperate for me to arrive...........Oz government is just as shoddy as Uk, whats up-are they upset about the ashes? Hells teeth, what am I letting myself in for....Sorry I am on a temporary toretts visa. Sorry Plim, it does suck.. How many children do you have? Could try asking your new employer to see how sympathetic they are?? Edited August 8, 2013 by ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraighttothePoint Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 But currently, isn't it the only one where age isn't a barrier? Not 100% but think so but my point is if it had been changed a while ago then the age issue, and other criteria, would have been addressed in any replacement visa - hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arwen Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Gobsmacked, that you say that, truly My wife is 52, I'm 59, and this is our only option as a visa, we have looked and looked. She is being employed by a responsible, and very prominent employer, without a 457, they could not of employed her, and the post has been advertised in Australia for 9 months. As I said.......Gobsmacked, and that's me being restrained!!!! and? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plimthing Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I only have 1 kid who we will have to pay for, but its $4000 a year still. I'm not going to be loaded when i'm here, and to have that on top of everything else well, whats the point?! whats next? $6000, $8000 per year?? Surely they can't introduce this law and apply it to everyone straight away. I feel for those with more kids, for me its just kicked our relaxation/funtime budget to touch and that was the big reason we are coming, change of lifestyle and all that. I'm not going to be on the mega bucks you hear about people earning in the mines, ironically i'm looking after the maintenance of the aircraft that fly those guys/gals up there, so this really affects my lifestyle. I've just told Mrs Plimthing and she has a not impressed face on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arwen Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) sucks is, the rules have changed since I have my visa issued, just moved out my house, booked flights, worldly belongings on a Danish container in the middle of c***ng English channel, in the last week of my notice period at work, new employer desperate for me to arrive...........Oz government is just as shoddy as Uk, whats up-are they upset about the ashes? Hells teeth, what am I letting myself in for....Sorry I am on a temporary toretts visa. I think visas already issued should be exempt. It's not fair to move the goalposts once the visa has been issued. Seek the quickest way to PR once you get here. Edited August 8, 2013 by ali Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fifi69 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I only have 1 kid who we will have to pay for, but its $4000 a year still. I'm not going to be loaded when i'm here, and to have that on top of everything else well, whats the point?! whats next? $6000, $8000 per year?? Surely they can't introduce this law and apply it to everyone straight away. I feel for those with more kids, for me its just kicked our relaxation/funtime budget to touch and that was the big reason we are coming, change of lifestyle and all that. I'm not going to be on the mega bucks you hear about people earning in the mines, ironically i'm looking after the maintenance of the aircraft that fly those guys/gals up there, so this really affects my lifestyle. I've just told Mrs Plimthing and she has a not impressed face on! you def have my utmost sympathy. It sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plimthing Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) I'm sure I can get my money back somehow, or at least earn that money. Maybe Mrs Plimthing could go to the mines???? Or even the kids, better idea! I'm sure with the aussie backward thinking they would be up for all these things Britain abolished years ago! In reality its 4 nights overtime, so em. If they think its gonna stop me they thought wrong......12 bottles a night instead of 24. Maybe I should look into PR, is it 18 months before I can apply for that? Edited August 8, 2013 by ali expletive removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveakaginge Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 and? Oh goody! I love these games............... Foot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou8670 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Looks to me as though the government has assumed all 457 holders are on mega bucks and can afford these fees for educating their children...unfortunately as I understand it many nurses and tradees are on 457s. I wonder if they will back track on this decision when they have a skills shortage for certain professions and need to attract people quickly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou8670 Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Are you exempt from the fee if you home school...might be an option!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinetic Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Looks to me as though the government has assumed all 457 holders are on mega bucks and can afford these fees for educating their children...unfortunately as I understand it many nurses and tradees are on 457s. I wonder if they will back track on this decision when they have a skills shortage for certain professions and need to attract people quickly? Maybe, but with fewer jobs being created, there are probably more than enough people with PR visas going out there at the moment. How their skills align with what people are still needed, who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 Looks to me as though the government has assumed all 457 holders are on mega bucks and can afford these fees for educating their children...unfortunately as I understand it many nurses and tradees are on 457s. I wonder if they will back track on this decision when they have a skills shortage for certain professions and need to attract people quickly? I don't think it is, reform of 457 visas have been rumoured for a long time but nothing has happened, they have highlighted the rise in the number of temporary residents being educated in schools - other states charge for those on temporary visas. I personally don't think there will be a charge for schooling on the 457. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I'm sure I can get my money back somehow, or at least earn that money. Maybe Mrs Plimthing could go to the mines???? Or even the kids, better idea! I'm sure with the aussie backward thinking they would be up for all these things Britain abolished years ago! In reality its 4 nights overtime, so em. If they think its gonna stop me they thought wrong......12 bottles a night instead of 24. Maybe I should look into PR, is it 18 months before I can apply for that? You can apply at anytime for PR if you undertake the skills assessment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plimthing Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 (edited) I don't have to do the skills assessment I think if I serve a period of time with employer on 457visa??? not sure, but hey, ive had a beer kind of chilled out from before, sorry for expletives earlier. However they are still wrong for pulling this stunt just to get votes. Edited August 8, 2013 by ali expitives removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted August 8, 2013 Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 I don't have to do the skills assessment I think if I serve a period of time with employer on 457visa??? not sure, but hey, ive had a beer kind of chilled out from before, sorry for expletives earlier. However they are still wrong for pulling this stunt just to get votes. If you work for the employer for 2 years - but if you are willing to undertake the skills assessment then you can apply at anytime independently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verystormy Posted August 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2013 The reason this has happened is a cash grab. Simple as that. The WA state government is desperate for cash and this charge is normal in many other states. It's also a lot less than many of the states and so it's a fair bet, it will increase. By bet would be on it going up to $6k next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest9824 Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Back on to the original post.... Barney 'with his flintstone ideas' Rubble has done it again. Knee jerk cash grab! He will probably at some point back track, because he is a numpty! But anyway, back to the topic, I would love to know:- a) How will they police this once it is up and running, ie, will it be left to schools to try to ask for the money, or will they take it from 457s when they land at Perth airport???? Not an airport tax but a schoolgate tax maybe?? b) It seems unfair to penalise 457 applicants when it was quite ok for the government to rush visas through when the boom was happening and they didnt have enough well trained people here to fill the jobs that were being offered. Now lets just 'throw the 457 people to the lions' we dont need them anymore type of attitude! Maybe they think that if people dont like it from places like the UK then they will just get people on 457 visas from other countries to come and fill the spaces. c) Why should 457 visa holders have to pay for a place at a state school, when some and lets face it there are lots, decide to go home after a short time on PR visas, so therefore they have used the state system to their advantage and then not needed it anymore. d) Does this extra cash mean they will build more schools for the 457 visa holders kiddies to go to??? I think I know the answer to that. e) Will there be some tax implications that will benefit the 457 visa holders if they pay for their childrens education. I know that isnt the case with paying for private education, but maybe that would make the blow a bit easier to bear! f) Maybe the future employers of 457 visas may have to stump up some more cash in order to get the people they want to come and work here, shows more commitment on their part and that they are not just rorting the system, trying to fill a space quickly.... Answers on a postcard please..... Pea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Den & Jin Posted August 9, 2013 Report Share Posted August 9, 2013 Does anyone know for sure that these costs will affect current holders of the 457? I'm getting conflicting reports about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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