shayne Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 I only joined your lovely forum a couple of weeks ago and was overwhelmed by your advice for my thread 'Making the right decision'. Having 'Made' the decision to start the ball rolling, we now learn that my husband's age (49) awards him a big fat zero in points. I don't see any way around that one !!! We're so disappointed. Goodbye everyone, good luck to all of you. Kind regards, Shayne xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkiwd Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Sorry, to hear that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelchic Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Me too. You must be gutted. Debs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreigT Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Hi Shayne, Can you not achieve more points by doing an IELTS exam? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza18 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Sorry to hear but thought they upped the age to 50 ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnOurWay Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 There's more than one way to skin a cat, so don't give up so easily. Me and my wife are moving to Perth soon. We had no where near enough points. My wife retrained, did a degree in midwifery, and we are arriving in June. She spent three years at uni, did here final placement in Perth and they said as soon as she qualified they would sponsor us on 457 visas. If you really want something, you can get it. Might not be easy, but certainly not impossible. You just have to get yourself on the skills list and make it happen. 457 visas are only temporary visas, but once we are there we can work on making it permanent. Australian immigration can be a very rigid object, but if they want you then it can be a bit more flexible. I am no expert on visas or Australia immigration, only saying that had we only considered the points route we would not be going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millar.wall.1985 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 aww sorry to hear this xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayne Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Still wouldn't give us enough points. Thanks for trying ! x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayne Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 They have but aged 45 - 49 awards zero points. I guess for some people it helps if they have enough points in the other sections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayne Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Trouble is we only have 6 months till hubby reaches 50. Thanks for trying though. xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayne Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING TIME TO REPLY, IT MEANS A LOT. Shayne xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnOurWay Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Sorry, but I think you are missing my point. We don't have enough points to get in either, so we found a different route. The points system is not the only way. Get a needed skill and find an employer to sponsor you. That's what we have done. At no stage have been assessed on points. I think you need to iinvestigate different visas and different routes. There are many. If you are serious about going, you will find a way. As I say, we don't have enough points either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayne Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Me bit thick !! do you mean over 50's can still apply for a visa ? I thought the cut off point was 50. Will gladly be corrected if that is the case. x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnOurWay Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 My wife is under 50, and so am I as it happens, but to a point that's irrelevant. She is been sponsored by the hospital and both me an my son are getting 457s on the back of her sponsorship. At no point did anyone ask how old I was (although my dob is on my passport!) If you can find an employer to sponsor you much of the hassle is removed. In order to do that you must have skills that cannot be provided locally. I have no idea what you guys do employment wise, but I'm in finance and my wife was a Secretary. Three years at uni and a month working for free in Perth and bingo.....we got sponsored. As I said earlier I am no expert, I'm just sharing our experience. You seem fixated on the points system, yet you'll find many Brits in oz didn't get there via that route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikkis2000 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 If you haven't explored all the possible routes yet it may be worth having a chat with a migration agent. They will be able to assess your situation and advise the best way forward. Initial conversations with then are usually free. Fingers crossed that there's a way for you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mummytummy Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 we were in a similar position it was at the very end of process we got told not enough points (after forking out thousands) we are now here on a sponsored 457, not ideal but now being sponsored for PR we are 46 & 51, could that be an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyLeB Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 The points pass score is 60, not 65 - but it is very difficult for anyone over 45 to meet the pass mark, with only 6 months left it would be a very tight time scale to get a visa invitation. Yes there is the option of a 457 temp visa, if you were able to find a sponsor. But the chances of making this a permanent move is very difficult once reach 50. Plus there is the risks of the 457 if you lose or leave your job you have 90 days to find a new sponsor or leave the country. There are age exemptions in place for Employer sponsored PR visas, BUT you need to have worked for your 457 sponsor for 4 years making the High Income Threshold of around $130,000 for each of the 4 years. I dont know your occupation but it doesnt look good sorry, one option if you hold a degree qualification, have 8 years of work experience, gain 8's in each section of the IELTS, your occupation is on a state occupation list and are able to get state nomination - would be the 489 provisional visa, but with only 6 months it would be a hard task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peata Whyted Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 My wife is under 50, and so am I as it happens, but to a point that's irrelevant. She is been sponsored by the hospital and both me an my son are getting 457s on the back of her sponsorship. At no point did anyone ask how old I was (although my dob is on my passport!) If you can find an employer to sponsor you much of the hassle is removed. In order to do that you must have skills that cannot be provided locally. I have no idea what you guys do employment wise, but I'm in finance and my wife was a Secretary. Three years at uni and a month working for free in Perth and bingo.....we got sponsored. As I said earlier I am no expert, I'm just sharing our experience. You seem fixated on the points system, yet you'll find many Brits in oz didn't get there via that route I would be very cautious with this approach. Even if you are granted a 457 visa, which has no upper age limit attached, this is only a temporary visa for 4 years. Once you have been in Aus for 2 years on a 457, you can transition to a state or employer sponsored PR visa, but I do believe you have to be under 50 still at that stage to qualify. Worth checking with an agent in my opinion before you get your hopes built up. Hope all goes OK. Pete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopeful Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 You are correct Pete, 457s no good to anyone over 48 if you are hoping to go for PR after the first 2 years unless of course you are earning above $129,300 pa, that's one majorly important thing that was pointed out to me here or I might have taken a 457 only to find I would have to head back to the uk after 4 years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyLeB Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I would be very cautious with this approach. Even if you are granted a 457 visa, which has no upper age limit attached, this is only a temporary visa for 4 years. Once you have been in Aus for 2 years on a 457, you can transition to a state or employer sponsored PR visa, but I do believe you have to be under 50 still at that stage to qualify. Worth checking with an agent in my opinion before you get your hopes built up. . There is no such thing as transitioning from 457 to a state or employer sponsored visa. If an employer "agrees" to sponsor you for ENS PR, after you have worked for them for a total of 2 years you do no need a skills assessment. If you have not worked for your employer for 2 years and they agree to sponsor you, you will need a skills assessment and 3 years experience. There is no obligation for 457 employer to sponsor for PR. As I stated before you need to work for 4 years on 457 making the high income threshold for each of the 4 years to be eligible for the age exemption for the employer sponsored visa if over 50. (Or be an academic at a University, scientist working for the government, a minister of religion or a Doctor working in Regional area). There is no limit to how many 457 visas a person can hold - they can be renewed after the 4 years, if the employer, position and employee still meet the criteria for the 457 visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 There is no such thing as transitioning from 457 to a state or employer sponsored visa. If an employer "agrees" to sponsor you for ENS PR, after you have worked for them for a total of 2 years you do no need a skills assessment. If you have not worked for your employer for 2 years and they agree to sponsor you, you will need a skills assessment and 3 years experience. There is no obligation for 457 employer to sponsor for PR. As I stated before you need to work for 4 years on 457 making the high income threshold for each of the 4 years to be eligible for the age exemption for the employer sponsored visa if over 50. (Or be an academic at a University, scientist working for the government, a minister of religion or a Doctor working in Regional area). There is no limit to how many 457 visas a person can hold - they can be renewed after the 4 years, if the employer, position and employee still meet the criteria for the 457 visa. I think we are the exception to all rules. Here originally on the dreaded 457 visa. Hubby worked for his employer less than a year before nomination process started for ENS 186. He turned 50 in January hence the reason for early sponsorship. Our visa was lodged the 29.8.13 our PR came through 26.11.13. Your application HAS to be lodged prior to your 50th birthday. Yes he did skills assessment all that took was sending off qualification certs after agent verified them filled in a form hey ho letter received 4 weeks later passed the criteria. No other contact than that. Perhaps that is down to the years of experience and the qualification held. The only thing going from 457 to 457 is the uncertainty will I lose my job etc etc and the ruling to leaving the country now after 90 days etc. Regardless to the fact we have PR we will return home at some point but that decision will be ours to make now. For me still remains to go back home as strong now as it was before. The reason we came still remains come make money and leave.................... Callous perhaps who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 we were in a similar position it was at the very end of process we got told not enough points (after forking out thousands) we are now here on a sponsored 457, not ideal but now being sponsored for PR we are 46 & 51, could that be an option? The visa applicant has to be under the age of 50 prior to being lodged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travelchic Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 The agent I used was doing a Q&A session at a seminar I was at once. He said a lady came to him who was over 50 and wanted to move to Australia to be with her daughter and grandchildren. He managed to get her a visa by retraining in Australia. Contact him and ask if he can help you. I'm sure he said she was late 50's. I used John Adams from immigration2oz. Just give them a call and ask what your options are. Debs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shayne Posted February 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Hi Debs, You're so kind giving me a contact, bless you. Thank you, Shayne xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnOurWay Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I think the main thing here is make sure you explore all of your options. From your original post it looked like that you decided you wanted yo live in oz, done the points assessment, and decided you couldn't come. Make sure you explore every option. Maybe you can get to oz, maybe you can't, but I think a lot more investigation is required before you give up. I wish you well and just encourage you to do as much research as you can.Maybe you are high earners, maybe you are well under 50, maybe your jobs are in demand in oz? There's so much we don't know. The best advice is to explore all routes. Good luck and keep us informed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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