Rossmoyne Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Rolo is adorable, the jack Russell and its owner were obviously a problem. A question though to Elfie, about what you expect of other dog owners. Are you saying no dog can be off lead, in a public place? Is it seen to be unacceptable to have a four month old pup off lead with the owner close by? I thought they were meant to be at times as part of their training. In in a park near me, I admire a group of owners who daily stand around chatting in the evening as their adorable dogs play together or just hang out/sit down calmly. It looks like an organised event but they just converge by coincidence on their nightly walks. I aspire to being like that and joining in, once I am lucky enough to get a dog. Oh Sully that is how it used to be at our local doggie oval until the arrival of feral JRussel and equally feral owner. And yes part of puppy training is off lead time, but the owner needs to be very vigilant and ready to snap that lead on at any sign of "issues". Rossy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossmoyne Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I believe it's against the law unless it's marked as an off leash area. I don't let mine off the lead in public areas. I have 2 boxers and they just want to play. Not all dog owners have trained or socialised their dogs appropriately so it's just easier to keep them on a lead. At the dog beach or an off leash area I don't mind because I assume that the other owners are responsible enough not to let aggressive and unsocialised animals of the lead. You are totally correct Arwen... Rolo is only ever off lead at a designate lead free area and responsible dog owners would only do the same. Unfortunately there are some dog owners who do not have the same degree of responsibility and think it is OK for their unsocialised dog to be off lead in the street as well as in off lead areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7cdb Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 How can you make such a general assumption about Australians as animal owners? Your comment is on a par with saying that all English people are vegetarian!!!! Most people wherever they come from, if they are animal lovers, have a good knowledge of animals and how to look after them. The issue is that there is a small amount of animal owners who are ignorant,whatever their nationality and wherever they live ... and this is the point that Elfie and I are making. Relax a little,it's just an opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOL Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 all English people are vegetarian!!!! Wait...but...what about Bacon and Egg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossmoyne Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Relax a little,it's just an opinion A bigoted one too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7cdb Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 A bigoted one too! Oh dear:laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Rolo is adorable, the jack Russell and its owner were obviously a problem. A question though to Elfie, about what you expect of other dog owners. Are you saying no dog can be off lead, in a public place? Is it seen to be unacceptable to have a four month old pup off lead with the owner close by? I thought they were meant to be at times as part of their training. In in a park near me, I admire a group of owners who daily stand around chatting in the evening as their adorable dogs play together or just hang out/sit down calmly. It looks like an organised event but they just converge by coincidence on their nightly walks. I aspire to being like that and joining in, once I am lucky enough to get a dog. Dogs can be off leash in certain areas sign are displayed to show this. I do not take my dog to off leash areas. But alas some people have trouble complying with the signs If my dog had been with me from a pup she would be more social but as it is we chose to rescue and she has not been socialised from a young age. Her obedience is 100% cant fault that. Our last rescue poor Tedd we had for 4 weeks I could have walked her off lead all the time and she would not have left my side. Its what you get when you rescue I am afraid. She use to lunge at cars motorbikes push bikes and kids on skateboards. This has now stopped, we have come along way in 6 months. Its just dog social now............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I have messaged you fol with a reputable registered breeder 100% faith fantastic german bloodline rotties big square heads adorable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOL Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7cdb Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Just followed another example of Aussie loving and caring attitude towards their animals. A "ute" with a dog either side in the open back,one tethered with a lead to the side of the "truck" the other tied to it with a chain. Flouncing around all over the back when going around traffic islands etc,could only imagine the tangled mess if they were hit by another vehicle or an emergency stop! and before mumsnet get over excited,it was definately an OZ bloke driving as he had one of the spectaclur 80's mullets that you all love....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arwen Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Just followed another example of Aussie loving and caring attitude towards their animals. A "ute" with a dog either side in the open back,one tethered with a lead to the side of the "truck" the other tied to it with a chain. Flouncing around all over the back when going around traffic islands etc,could only imagine the tangled mess if they were hit by another vehicle or an emergency stop! and before mumsnet get over excited,it was definately an OZ bloke driving as he had one of the spectaclur 80's mullets that you all love....... The guy that fixes my garage door has one of those mullets and he is from West Ham!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akasully2 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) If 'mumsnet' as you so affectionately call most of us, is the antithesis to being overly opinionated and dismissive, in the guise of 'just a wind up', I think most of us would be proud to be called 'mumsnets'. Edited November 28, 2014 by Akasully2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7cdb Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 The guy that fixes my garage door has one of those mullets and he is from West Ham!! did he leave the UK in '78 and set up a gents barbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verystormy Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Please refrain from personal insults or I will have to use tools that are gathering dust here and normally reserved for PIO - infractions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou8670 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 What a lovely post!! Do the latte sweeties have an opinion that dent your masculine, dominant, controlling personality!! Talk about judging people before getting to know them. I can tell you after 10 years of living here that Australia will manage perfectly well without the addition of more judgemental poms like you. You sound more preoccupied with what people have and where they live than the sort of person they are!! Not sure where you have visited in Perth but it is absolutely not indicative of the suburb I live in but hey ho we are all different. Good luck on your return to the UK!!! Well said @Arwen. In this case I think Australia is better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verystormy Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Final warning. Members are likely to be given a forced holiday from the site if there is any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Oh dear my post and thread content has been hijacked one I may add of which I take seriously and am very passionate about. Reason I have a very large powerful dog who in real life is a sweetheart a big softie. Some would class as a dangerous dog due to bad publicity and lack of knowledge of the breed. Yes I advocate for the breed as much as I possibly can and make no bones about it. Big thank yous to those for putting a downer on something which from my perspective I take as very serious. I just hope one day that a serious incident that I will stress will not be my fault or my dog's ever happen as a result of a "latte sweetie" and her dog/dogs will cause. Mark my words it will happen one day maybe not with me and my dog but with some other person and their pet. Oh silly me I believe it already has VS little one was on the receiving end of a large dog not under control unlike mine! All I tried to do is forewarn of the dangers of unleashed dogs not under control of their bad owners Oh ps I have played nicely VS ::cough:: for a change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7cdb Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Oh dear my post and thread content has been hijacked one I may add of which I take seriously and am very passionate about. Reason I have a very large powerful dog who in real life is a sweetheart a big softie. Some would class as a dangerous dog due to bad publicity and lack of knowledge of the breed. Yes I advocate for the breed as much as I possibly can and make no bones about it. Big thank yous to those for putting a downer on something which from my perspective I take as very serious. I just hope one day that a serious incident that I will stress will not be my fault or my dog's ever happen as a result of a "latte sweetie" and her dog/dogs will cause. Mark my words it will happen one day maybe not with me and my dog but with some other person and their pet. Oh silly me I believe it already has VS little one was on the receiving end of a large dog not under control unlike mine!All I tried to do is forewarn of the dangers of unleashed dogs not under control of their bad owners Oh ps I have played nicely VS ::cough:: for a change Elfie,good luck with your dog and enjoy her as they are a great,but so mis understood breed. I'm out,for me Mr "go Matilda" and the latte people along with the selective editing are hilarious. I'm in Mandurah until Sunday lunch........go on show your faces pm me latte people don't hide behind a website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted November 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 7cdb I have sent a pm mind you I'm an expresso person not a latte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJT Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 @elfie slightly off topic, but still relevant, can you please post or pm your recipe for the carrot and apple things please. I am a first time dog "mum" and am learning on the run. Cara is fluffy and she has just had her first trim, but I would like to be prepared for the summer and you sound as if you know what to do when it is hot so any advice very welcome. I have unfortunately a 18 week hairbrush type of dog, she is a cavoodle, luckily no yapping but lots of jumping up over excitedly, so I do not take her to play where the other big dogs are purely for the reasons you describe. I attend puppy training with her every weekend and the trainer said that other dogs do not like things flying at them all excitedly and can tend to be a bit alarmed when one does run up to them. I do try and watch other dogs for the warning signs or signs that they are happy. We went to a dog beach the other day and I have to say all the very large dogs including a rottweiler, where playing off lesh, chasing balls and having fun and every single one of them were well behaved and controlled by their owners. Unfortunately I was over protective of my puppy, again new mum syndrome and lack of my training did make me pick her up everytime a very large dog came over to say hello and I must learn not to do that, it is just that I am aware Cara has a lot to learn about behaving around other dogs and I also can see how a large dog could view Cara as a squeaky play thing. Anyway any tips or help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Have a great weekend. SJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted November 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 @elfie slightly off topic, but still relevant, can you please post or pm your recipe for the carrot and apple things please. I am a first time dog "mum" and am learning on the run. Cara is fluffy and she has just had her first trim, but I would like to be prepared for the summer and you sound as if you know what to do when it is hot so any advice very welcome. I have unfortunately a 18 week hairbrush type of dog, she is a cavoodle, luckily no yapping but lots of jumping up over excitedly, so I do not take her to play where the other big dogs are purely for the reasons you describe. I attend puppy training with her every weekend and the trainer said that other dogs do not like things flying at them all excitedly and can tend to be a bit alarmed when one does run up to them. I do try and watch other dogs for the warning signs or signs that they are happy. We went to a dog beach the other day and I have to say all the very large dogs including a rottweiler, where playing off lesh, chasing balls and having fun and every single one of them were well behaved and controlled by their owners. Unfortunately I was over protective of my puppy, again new mum syndrome and lack of my training did make me pick her up everytime a very large dog came over to say hello and I must learn not to do that, it is just that I am aware Cara has a lot to learn about behaving around other dogs and I also can see how a large dog could view Cara as a squeaky play thing. Anyway any tips or help you can give would be greatly appreciated. Have a great weekend. SJT Hi I am new to dog owning in the sunshine and heat. But research is wonderful. Firstly you need to see if your dog can tolerate carrots and apples in her diet. Melon and pumpkin and cabbage is another thing you can try. Reason for these is they have no calorie value hence no weight gain. I purchased some ice lolly makers from red dot shop about $4 for a mould to make 6 ice lollys. All I do is grate carrots apple cabbage depending what I have in the fridge, then stuff the ice lolly mould not too full then fill with water and freeze. When my dog gets hot I just pull one out for her to lick making sure she doesnt pull it from me have to be careful of the plastic stalk holder. You can grate and fill small Tupperware boxes and freeze them which is better for a bigger dog then all I do is run under the tap then pop them out for her to have on the patio. Also to cool them down spray their chest and belly with water and get them to lie on water soaked towels. Do not spray them with water on their neck and back as it will only help to retain the heat. Have also purchased a childs plastic clam pool that she will sit in too cool down. One thing I did not know is dogs retain heat through their paws good test to see if they are too hot feel their paws. Good luck with your dog hope you have many years of enjoyment x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elfie Posted November 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 here she is enjoying a carrot ice block with plenty of slobber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossmoyne Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 We struggle with the same problem here in the UK...being a veterinary nurse I have made it my mission to try and educate owners on dog walking etiquette. We are due to move to Secret Harbour area in Feburary and my mission will continue. There is something the UK is slowly being adopted called the the traffic light system....might be worth a try? I feel your pain and frustration. I love this idea Kermit and I actually saw it advertised here in Perth last week on Facebook. I have a green dog, but I have friends who have orange and red dogs and so understand how those collars/leads/harnesses would be invaluable.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossmoyne Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Dogs can be off leash in certain areas sign are displayed to show this. I do not take my dog to off leash areas. But alas some people have trouble complying with the signsIf my dog had been with me from a pup she would be more social but as it is we chose to rescue and she has not been socialised from a young age. Her obedience is 100% cant fault that. Our last rescue poor Tedd we had for 4 weeks I could have walked her off lead all the time and she would not have left my side. Its what you get when you rescue I am afraid. She use to lunge at cars motorbikes push bikes and kids on skateboards. This has now stopped, we have come along way in 6 months. Its just dog social now............ Elfie well done with Ebbs..... you have worked so hard with her... and yes it is hard with a rescued pet as you have no idea what their life was like before you gave them a home.... I admire you greatly girl for what you are doing .... and Ebbs is a beautiful girl..... once you feel that she is OK to be dog social one-on-one, it will be time for Rolo and Ebbs to meet. Looking forward to that day.... x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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