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hello i'm new to the forum and would like to introduce myself to you all. my husband is a bricklayer and i'm a hairdresser. were in the process of migrating to perth australia as i have family there. We've just had our medicals and awaiting to here from our visa's.

I'm also abit nervous and don't no what to do as my daughters are 15 and 14 years of age, there adament that there not ready to move abroad to australia and there happy with there friends school and home life in the uk but my husband and i really want to try a new life in the sun.

does any one no what the public schools are like or if i should put the children in private like alot of the other poms have done:)

 

You have two daughters at that age who do not wnat to come but you and your husband do? My advise to anyone who wants to come here is that everyone in the family must want to move otherwise don't do it.

 

Moving to another world is hard. This is not just round the corner. My son went on holiday with us at 15 and that was the worst month in my life. Moods, hormones and just possibly the worst pahse in a teenagers life.

 

And you want them to move to the otherside of the world?

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You have two daughters at that age who do not wnat to come but you and your husband do? My advise to anyone who wants to come here is that everyone in the family must want to move otherwise don't do it.

 

Moving to another world is hard. This is not just round the corner. My son went on holiday with us at 15 and that was the worst month in my life. Moods, hormones and just possibly the worst pahse in a teenagers life.

 

And you want them to move to the otherside of the world?

 

Thank you Straight to the Point. Your comment as made me think alot harder and were all going to go as a family on holiday again before we decide any thing:smile:

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Hi Deannkaren,

 

I would be really interested in hearing what you find out in May, especially as you have so much experience and expertise in this area. I expect you will be able to make some really good non biased comparisons. I'm looking forward to reading what you find.

 

Jojo its so hard to give advice as all families are different. When we went out to perth in 2007 our son ( who was 8 at the time) really really didn't want to go, however he loved it and din't want to come back to the U.K. He still says now that as soon as he is 18 that he will go back. Intially when we suggested that we might go back sooner than that......lol next year, he wasn't overly happy but as the weeks go on he is starting to make positive comments like where he would like to live " if" we go etc.. Like I said everybody is different so really cannot compare other peoples families to your own. It really is a suck it and see situation!

 

The genreal feeling we have at the moment is that we are definately swaying towrads the move back to Oz. I have started mentioning it to family and freinfd

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Hi there,

 

If you send me a shopping or anything you want me to find out I will add this to my itinery and collate the information.

 

you can PM me this if you prefer and I have already done some costing so am happy to send you the spreadsheet I have collated already.

 

My email is deanhewitt@btinternet.com

 

Thanks

Dean & Margaret Ann

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Good luck to all of those ping ponging or new movers.

 

It is a tough one, and the cost of living is expensive here, but there are also high costs in the UK of course. Also I think people miss family and friends, and don't realise how much until they get here and find the flights to expensive.

 

It has been difficult for us, as I have been unsettled even though it's the second time around and so has my 9 year old daughter. My son is fine and so is hubby, even though he works alot harder here and is knackered.

 

I think for myself trying to get part time admin has been extremely frustrating, but that may be my lack of confidence now after such a long while. I volunteer in Vinnie's which is giving me the WA experience! I am still applying all the time for positions though, and hopefully I will get some replys soon.

 

Liz:wubclub:

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hello i'm new to the forum and would like to introduce myself to you all. my husband is a bricklayer and i'm a hairdresser. were in the process of migrating to perth australia as i have family there. We've just had our medicals and awaiting to here from our visa's.

I'm also abit nervous and don't no what to do as my daughters are 15 and 14 years of age, there adament that there not ready to move abroad to australia and there happy with there friends school and home life in the uk but my husband and i really want to try a new life in the sun.

does any one no what the public schools are like or if i should put the children in private like alot of the other poms have done:)

 

This whole thread is a conundrum, there is no correct answer, but here is my two cents on your situation. It wouldn't take much for me to come home, we have been here 3 years and I have developed little affection for the place. But one thing that makes me soldier on is that I believe it can be a much healthier and more wholesome life for teenagers. My girls have great friends, go sailing, jumping of jetties, pool parties, boating, fishing, swimming, have access to all kinds of sports, great school trips and all sorts that would not be easily available in the UK. They can leave their bikes in the front garden, catch the bus or train anywhere in reasonable safety, walk freely and wander freely around the estates and to the shops.

When we went home 18 months ago I noticed how hardened and cynical the English kids were compared to Aussie kids of the same age.

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But one thing that makes me soldier on is that I believe it can be a much healthier and more wholesome life for teenagers. My girls have great friends, go sailing, jumping of jetties, pool parties, boating, fishing, swimming, have access to all kinds of sports, great school trips and all sorts that would not be easily available in the UK.

 

Greg I totally agree with that but would add that to make sure that it definatley happens is to consider getting them out here young or very early teens at the latest. That way they just take in thir stride and think it is a bit of an adventure almost. The longer you leave it after these ages then it is only right that they have a fuller say in any move.

 

And my point has always been all for one or none at all.

 

You seem to have a good handle on the place. I think am a bit like you in the way I feel but I go back every year and that way I can cope with it all. This leads me onto what I would like to think is the second valid point when you move here and that is do not put all your eggs into one basket. Once you are caught here with the expensive lifestyle you appear to get trapped.

 

Everything is big here. Big cars, big houses, big health plans, big bills, big TV's :smile:, big salesmen, big fees, big tax and so on. If you can try and steer away from the norm and try and build a life patiently, slowly and less demanding then you have a big chance to settle more easiliy. The con here is that it seems to feel like the sharks are lining up at the arrival halls just waiting for the wifes to show them new kitchens, big patios and shining 4 x 4's. Once they see those us chaps are stuffed!!:wink:

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Thank you Straight to the Point. Your comment as made me think alot harder and were all going to go as a family on holiday again before we decide any thing:smile:

 

Thanks for that JoJo. My handle says it all and no point about beating about the bush.

 

If you come here on holiday you will love it especially if you come for a month and get a real chance to see the place. Problem is as you know a holiday is exactly that. Still do it and maybe the teenagers will respond positively!! Just bring a heap of cash, start the bribes early in the trip and promise them a better life. :smile:

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Hi all,

 

Sorry my last post ended abruptly, my rissotto needed attention lol.

 

As I left off, family and friends are mostly supportive " you have to do what you think is best " etc...BUT make sure it is what you want to do.

 

I totally agree with Gregg and straightothepoint, the life for children is so much better in Oz than in the U.k. It is generally safer and the biggest difference is the children stay children for longer, which in my opnion can only be a good thing.

 

I suppose the only thing to do now is bite the bullet and make the jump.....again....

 

Deannkaren. Thanks I will PM you.

 

Dayna

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Hi all,

 

Sorry my last post ended abruptly, my rissotto needed attention lol.

 

As I left off, family and friends are mostly supportive " you have to do what you think is best " etc...BUT make sure it is what you want to do.

 

I totally agree with Gregg and straightothepoint, the life for children is so much better in Oz than in the U.k. It is generally safer and the biggest difference is the children stay children for longer, which in my opnion can only be a good thing.

 

I suppose the only thing to do now is bite the bullet and make the jump.....again....

 

Deannkaren. Thanks I will PM you.

 

Dayna

 

If you do make the jump you have to tough out the bad times this time, its way too expensive to do it too many times! We set the goal of 4 years, this gets us our citizenship (having very nearly given up after the first year), that way you have at least given it a good go as well as having the freedom to come and go as you please thereafter. Also, as STTP says, if you can afford to try to keep a foot in both camps. So many people come here and instantly squander their life's worth trying to force "living the dream". Unfortunately the days of high UK prices, low OZ prices and good exchange rates are long gone.

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I am the product of parents that couldn't decide which country to live in. My parents took me to Melbourne in 1969 at the age of three. After six months in Melbourne, they decided the winters were too cold and move to Sydney (French's Forest) after six months of renting they bought a house in Hornsby Heights.

 

My brother and sister attended five schools in a year!

 

We lived in Hornsby Heights for five years and I loved it. We were right on the bush - and I made the bush my home, playing with lizards, snakes and spiders!

 

When I was ten my grandad started sending miserable letters and cassette tapes telling us how lonely he was etc etc. It got to my dad, my mum always missed the UK (large family) and we sold up and headed back to the UK. (he hadn't hear of a holiday?) Two weeks before we were due to leave we got a letter from grandad saying we didn't need to return. He had met a new wife and was happy now. (I think we saw him twice in the year we were there)

 

New school for a year. This was my first experience of hostile kids - but I made friends and survived. After a year, my parents were so depressed they wanted to go back to Aust. (I quite liked the UK - but hey)

 

They couldn't afford Sydney - so they went to Perth.

 

Despite only spending a year in the UK, I'd picked up an accent, and the kids decided I was a Pom and I was sent to Coventry. I picked up the nickname Pommy poofter, which I didn't appreciate much. Cried myself to sleep alot. But it didn't matter much because we moved shortly and I changed schools again.

 

By now I'd pretty much given up on making friends. Even to this day - I have no real friends, no close friends. I make acquantencies easy enough, but friends is so much harder. (Sound a lot like Perth people in general?)

 

I went through my teens pretty broken - probably suicidal - although I never attempted - but I was very self destructive, drank too much and drove when doing it - played with drugs a bit. Dropped out from uni, worked for a bit. Went back to uni - got a degree and worked for a bit - but life just wasn't happening.

 

At 29 - I headed back to the UK. I work in computers - I earned a lot - I travelled a lot. I had fun.

 

Then I met my wife, and suddenly life meant something.

 

Then after our second child, we moved to Perth. History repeating itself, I know! But I had to try, my family is there. (Sometimes I think I was punishing my parents for leaving Perth in the first place - but I had to get away - I needed to grow - I couldn't breathe there)

 

My wife hated it. She hated all of it - so after one year we came back to the UK. We have been here for nearly seven years, and yes, the cost of living is starting to bite. But we are ok.

 

My wife would like to return to Australia again. Me ? I have no home. I can't identify with a place and call it home. But it's not all bad. I can live anywhere. I'm happy anywhere. I can live in the UK, or I can live here.

 

But - having just returned from holiday in Perth - I know I can't afford to live there, not with the current exchange rates. I have watched the dollar pound for the last 20 years, and this is not a good time to move. But when it does change, it will change fast. Then - we may consider. How long - I don't know. My oldest attends high school in 18 months. If it doesn't move by then, we may stay here.

 

Which is not that bad. I like the UK.

 

I like Perth too - but I'm no fool - it's not the be all and end all.

 

Somethings I'll sum up.

 

1. Make your minds up - because it is hell on the kids. They may not show it - they will want to keep you happy - but you are scarring them. It is not character building.

 

2. You can live in a cheap area - and send your kids to private school.

 

3. There are ways of living cheap. In Perth you have always had to buy food in season. It's not the UK. You can't eat grapes all year round without paying through the nose.

 

4. Aussie kids can be very nasty. They don't like the English, (they don't mind the Welsh, Scots and Irish that much) Be aware of the signs - and deal with it. Again - it is bullying - it's not character building.

 

5. The UK is a fun place to live if you have lots of money. It's not that much fun if you are poor.

 

6. The sunshine in Perth is free. You can be happier in Perth poor than you can in the UK.

 

Sorry for the rambling - Hope this helps.

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I am the product of parents that couldn't decide which country to live in. My parents took me to Melbourne in 1969 at the age of three. After six months in Melbourne, they decided the winters were too cold and move to Sydney (French's Forest) after six months of renting they bought a house in Hornsby Heights.

 

My brother and sister attended five schools in a year!

 

We lived in Hornsby Heights for five years and I loved it. We were right on the bush - and I made the bush my home, playing with lizards, snakes and spiders!

 

When I was ten my grandad started sending miserable letters and cassette tapes telling us how lonely he was etc etc. It got to my dad, my mum always missed the UK (large family) and we sold up and headed back to the UK. (he hadn't hear of a holiday?) Two weeks before we were due to leave we got a letter from grandad saying we didn't need to return. He had met a new wife and was happy now. (I think we saw him twice in the year we were there)

 

New school for a year. This was my first experience of hostile kids - but I made friends and survived. After a year, my parents were so depressed they wanted to go back to Aust. (I quite liked the UK - but hey)

 

They couldn't afford Sydney - so they went to Perth.

 

Despite only spending a year in the UK, I'd picked up an accent, and the kids decided I was a Pom and I was sent to Coventry. I picked up the nickname Pommy poofter, which I didn't appreciate much. Cried myself to sleep alot. But it didn't matter much because we moved shortly and I changed schools again.

 

By now I'd pretty much given up on making friends. Even to this day - I have no real friends, no close friends. I make acquantencies easy enough, but friends is so much harder. (Sound a lot like Perth people in general?)

 

I went through my teens pretty broken - probably suicidal - although I never attempted - but I was very self destructive, drank too much and drove when doing it - played with drugs a bit. Dropped out from uni, worked for a bit. Went back to uni - got a degree and worked for a bit - but life just wasn't happening.

 

At 29 - I headed back to the UK. I work in computers - I earned a lot - I travelled a lot. I had fun.

 

Then I met my wife, and suddenly life meant something.

 

Then after our second child, we moved to Perth. History repeating itself, I know! But I had to try, my family is there. (Sometimes I think I was punishing my parents for leaving Perth in the first place - but I had to get away - I needed to grow - I couldn't breathe there)

 

My wife hated it. She hated all of it - so after one year we came back to the UK. We have been here for nearly seven years, and yes, the cost of living is starting to bite. But we are ok.

 

My wife would like to return to Australia again. Me ? I have no home. I can't identify with a place and call it home. But it's not all bad. I can live anywhere. I'm happy anywhere. I can live in the UK, or I can live here.

 

But - having just returned from holiday in Perth - I know I can't afford to live there, not with the current exchange rates. I have watched the dollar pound for the last 20 years, and this is not a good time to move. But when it does change, it will change fast. Then - we may consider. How long - I don't know. My oldest attends high school in 18 months. If it doesn't move by then, we may stay here.

 

Which is not that bad. I like the UK.

 

I like Perth too - but I'm no fool - it's not the be all and end all.

 

Somethings I'll sum up.

 

1. Make your minds up - because it is hell on the kids. They may not show it - they will want to keep you happy - but you are scarring them. It is not character building.

 

2. You can live in a cheap area - and send your kids to private school.

 

3. There are ways of living cheap. In Perth you have always had to buy food in season. It's not the UK. You can't eat grapes all year round without paying through the nose.

 

4. Aussie kids can be very nasty. They don't like the English, (they don't mind the Welsh, Scots and Irish that much) Be aware of the signs - and deal with it. Again - it is bullying - it's not character building.

 

5. The UK is a fun place to live if you have lots of money. It's not that much fun if you are poor.

 

6. The sunshine in Perth is free. You can be happier in Perth poor than you can in the UK.

 

Sorry for the rambling - Hope this helps.

 

Oh gosh, I really don't know what to say after that post! Big hugs for the rough time you have had.

Your post has made me really question if I do want this "ideal" if it is going to have such a detrimental affect on my kids! Think I am stuck in no mans land at the moment anyway! Take care. x

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Hi Newjez,

 

That post certainly pulls on the heartstrings. Sounds like growing up was pretty tough.

 

I have thought of these points and have already reconciled myself to the thought that for the kids sake this is the last move come what may. If we move after Xmas my 11 year old will be starting High school at the same time as everybody else so he will all be in the same situation as all the other kids with having to make friends etc. The same is true for my 4 year old.

 

If we come again and I hate it, we will be there untill the children have finished school and thats the bottom line, moving across the world twice is enough for anyone!

 

Thanks for giving us all another perspective to considre if we alreay hadn't.

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I am the product of parents that couldn't decide which country to live in. My parents took me to Melbourne in 1969 at the age of three. After six months in Melbourne, they decided the winters were too cold and move to Sydney (French's Forest) after six months of renting they bought a house in Hornsby Heights.

 

My brother and sister attended five schools in a year!

 

We lived in Hornsby Heights for five years and I loved it. We were right on the bush - and I made the bush my home, playing with lizards, snakes and spiders!

 

When I was ten my grandad started sending miserable letters and cassette tapes telling us how lonely he was etc etc. It got to my dad, my mum always missed the UK (large family) and we sold up and headed back to the UK. (he hadn't hear of a holiday?) Two weeks before we were due to leave we got a letter from grandad saying we didn't need to return. He had met a new wife and was happy now. (I think we saw him twice in the year we were there)

 

New school for a year. This was my first experience of hostile kids - but I made friends and survived. After a year, my parents were so depressed they wanted to go back to Aust. (I quite liked the UK - but hey)

 

They couldn't afford Sydney - so they went to Perth.

 

Despite only spending a year in the UK, I'd picked up an accent, and the kids decided I was a Pom and I was sent to Coventry. I picked up the nickname Pommy poofter, which I didn't appreciate much. Cried myself to sleep alot. But it didn't matter much because we moved shortly and I changed schools again.

 

By now I'd pretty much given up on making friends. Even to this day - I have no real friends, no close friends. I make acquantencies easy enough, but friends is so much harder. (Sound a lot like Perth people in general?)

 

I went through my teens pretty broken - probably suicidal - although I never attempted - but I was very self destructive, drank too much and drove when doing it - played with drugs a bit. Dropped out from uni, worked for a bit. Went back to uni - got a degree and worked for a bit - but life just wasn't happening.

 

At 29 - I headed back to the UK. I work in computers - I earned a lot - I travelled a lot. I had fun.

 

Then I met my wife, and suddenly life meant something.

 

Then after our second child, we moved to Perth. History repeating itself, I know! But I had to try, my family is there. (Sometimes I think I was punishing my parents for leaving Perth in the first place - but I had to get away - I needed to grow - I couldn't breathe there)

 

My wife hated it. She hated all of it - so after one year we came back to the UK. We have been here for nearly seven years, and yes, the cost of living is starting to bite. But we are ok.

 

My wife would like to return to Australia again. Me ? I have no home. I can't identify with a place and call it home. But it's not all bad. I can live anywhere. I'm happy anywhere. I can live in the UK, or I can live here.

 

But - having just returned from holiday in Perth - I know I can't afford to live there, not with the current exchange rates. I have watched the dollar pound for the last 20 years, and this is not a good time to move. But when it does change, it will change fast. Then - we may consider. How long - I don't know. My oldest attends high school in 18 months. If it doesn't move by then, we may stay here.

 

Which is not that bad. I like the UK.

 

I like Perth too - but I'm no fool - it's not the be all and end all.

 

Somethings I'll sum up.

 

1. Make your minds up - because it is hell on the kids. They may not show it - they will want to keep you happy - but you are scarring them. It is not character building.

 

2. You can live in a cheap area - and send your kids to private school.

 

3. There are ways of living cheap. In Perth you have always had to buy food in season. It's not the UK. You can't eat grapes all year round without paying through the nose.

 

4. Aussie kids can be very nasty. They don't like the English, (they don't mind the Welsh, Scots and Irish that much) Be aware of the signs - and deal with it. Again - it is bullying - it's not character building.

 

5. The UK is a fun place to live if you have lots of money. It's not that much fun if you are poor.

 

6. The sunshine in Perth is free. You can be happier in Perth poor than you can in the UK.

 

Sorry for the rambling - Hope this helps.

Thank you for being so honest. Your replys have been great and i will be thinking of all the comments. They've all made me think alot clearer. I'm going to take the children on holiday, get them to look at some schools and decide there selves. If they don't want to go then i'll wait and go when there older without them

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I'm sorry if I've put anyone off migrating. That wasn't my intention. What I wanted to do was make people aware of the gravity of their decisions.

 

You need to mitigate the impact on your children. When my parents moved back to Perth, they rented a house and sent me to the local school. I got through the initial bullying and made friends. Then less than six months later, they bought a house and I had to change schools and start all over again.

 

It is much easier to avoid this sort of thing now. Also, you need to work with your kids. They may tell you its all ok to keep you happy when its not. Parents can do alot to make the transition easier. But with everything thats going on in a move, its easy to forget the kids. The squeaky wheels get the oil. Parents can encourage friendships, and they can get on top of bullying.

 

Australia, and Perth especially demands that you leave your past behind and become Australian as fast as possible. This is more important for kids. You should help them as much as possible to 'become' Australian. We all know the Perth mentality. If you suggest any improvement - the standard response is - 'well why don't you bugger off back to where you came from then'. You can't fight this. You can't change it. Accept it and move on.

 

For Dayna especially - I think you need to work out exactly why you left Perth the first time, and find out what has changed, and why you would now view it differently. I think you are right about you kids ages - it's a good time to start. But don't just lump it and like it. You need to adapt to Perth, it won't adapt to you. I had a hell of a culture shock when I came back to the UK. I thought England would be like Perth. I was shocked to find that they don't even speak the same lanaguage.

 

In England Yes means maybe, and maybe means no.

 

In Perth, Yes means yes, and maybe means - maybe.

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newjez- I actually laughed out loud at the last part of your post, its so true!

 

I have been thinking about moving back for months, thinking exactly that, why didn't I want to be in oz, what didn't I like. Tbh I think most of the problem was that I had a small baby when we first moved out. A lot of mums know that a lot of the time you dont think particularly clearly after having a baby......Well at least I dont, I become neurotic about eveything being done just so etc.. not a fun person to live with for a year, how my partner put up with it is beyond me lol.

I was extremely isolated due to a number of reasons,where we chose to live and the fact I had a small baby. I think I disliked so much because I kept thinking how much easier it would be with my baby if I were at home near family and friends. I'm not in that sitaution now, my mind set is different so I would make more of an effort to socialise and meet people. The biggest difference is I want to go this time......last time I was doing it because it was my partners dream.

 

In summing up I think coming back to the U.K opened my eyes to what was good in Perth, which I wouldn't accept when we were there. Will I miss family and friends, of course, will I miss the English summer YES! will I miss decent clothes shops and hustle and bustle of London YES. But I think the family will prosper in perth, there are far more opportunities for the kids, whilst they are kids and when they grow and need to get jobs etc.

 

In short I believe the benefits for a family far out weigh the disadvantages, just wish I could have seen it before and not wasted so much money.....But hey ho lifes about learning isn't it.

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Hi Dayna - you sound exactly like my wife. We tried it with a two year old and a six month old - and we had exactly the same problems. Being a mere male I didn't appreciate the effect that hormones have on a woman. My wife felt cut off from her support network and was very isolated. She felt she had been pressured into going, and resented the fact.

 

We have had three holidays back since we left, and each time it seems to grow on her a bit more. She surprised me after our last trip when she said she'd like to move back there.

 

It was three dollars to the pound when we first tried and the housing market was yet to take off. It is 1.6 to the pound now and houses are more than twice as much. Talk about timing! We couldn't possibly do it at the current exchange rate. I am hoping that there will be a dramatic change in the next year or so. But most economist seem to think China will grow for ever.

 

As said - if we go, then that would be great. If we stay in the UK, it's a bit depressing at the moment, but things will improve. I don't like being in a state of limbo, but things are out of our control at the moment.

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HI

 

Sorry, i cant offer much in terms of experience living in Australia, as my family and I are currently in the process of looking to migrate to Perth. What i can say is with the ever worsening state of affairs in this country there has got to be better opportunities in Aus, it's certainly going to be a tough move at first as we both have good jobs, house etc but it,s a opportunity we are going to take. I am fortunate in the respect i will have a job already in place which undoubtedly helps. I just think the outlook over here is not as promising, the decsion is yours but in my case i had no hesitation where my future lies. Hope this helps

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Hi

 

Having been back to the UK for 7 weeks, we have finally made the decision to stay in PERTH! Cor ... it was a hard one, still desperately miss family but I guess you have to do what's right for you and your family .... look forward .... see the opportunities we are providing for our daughter.

 

It was very strange, she has always said how much she missed our old house, school etc in Newcastle, when we actually went there for a visit she couldn't remember. We sat outside the house and she had no idea that we used to live there....

 

Of course, never say never but at least we can put that little itch to rest for a bit ...:cool:

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Good post. One thing comes to mind is that there are less clear choices these days. A few decades ago Perth may have been on the dull,insular side but at least a comfortable and very affordable life would in some ways compensate for the negatives.

 

Now Australia is expensive and has very over inflated housing prices while the UK in places more interestng doesn't always offer an attractive way of life. Lower wages for many (for now) and the great areas to live are often too expensive.

It's all too hard. True the sun still shines here in Oz although many wish it didn't. Such a fear of the sun has led to low doses of Vit D. Unbelievable in a country such as Australia. But true many don't venture out so much.

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Hi Dayna, A great thread and I am wondering where are you now?? Have you made a choice to go back??? There are so many families like us !! We are now looking at heading back to Perth but like lots of you have the exchange rate and trying to sell the house!!

 

This British weather isn't helping if only the rain would stop! I still look daily at the property in Perth and jobs, but stuck here for the time being.................

 

Hope all is well and its good to know we are not alone in being indecisive !!

 

Debbie

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