Guest guest9520 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi all, I just like to give a short intro as new member here. My wife and I, at present working and working in Sweden are not completely unknown to W-A, we lived there in the period 1978-1985 and have recently decided to do our best and return. We hope to get some help from this community, since so far we can't see a way out and clearly seem to pee beside the pot, whichever type of visa we look at.....apart from the visitor one that we don't need. With some of our relatives and employers still unaware of our intentions we can't appear yet with our real names, apologies for that! See you under the appropriate heading elsewhere. E&R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cow Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi welcome to the forum! Do you want any advice? Give us a few more details and maybe others can help re visa etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest9520 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi welcome to the forum! Do you want any advice? Give us a few more details and maybe others can help re visa etc. Hi, Since the thread was moved and two messages deleted the thread got disturbed a little and I have to go by memory, but adapting: From what I have been able to read our ages (59 and 57) are the main problem when trying to find a suitable route to a visa. But I don't accept that as a reasons to block us altogether from obtaining visa. Somehow there must be a way, even for us but the problem is that the standard visa requirements are too rigid to "see" or "show" the possibilities. And answering the earlier question (that also got deleted) if we did seek Australian citizenship back when we lived in Australia before: No, we did not. So recapping some of my findings we are clearly not eligible for a visa based on "Skillselect". We are not getting the required 60 points together either that some visa require. We are not dependent on/of our relatives in Australia and neither do they depend on us. I even looked at the "Distinguished Talent" option, but even there I'm not passing the requirements. But even if we don't seem to fulfill any of the common requirements, what we have to offer together must also add up to a point of acceptance. For example: - bringing along a certain sum of money must mean something - having more than one relative wanting to sponsor us must count - having been highly recommended in my line of work back then by a shire must even today have some value - having since 7 year back been an international point of support for people who need medical intervention of a particular kind must even be of value to the Australian society - being willing to shift my pension age to 70 and contribute in Australia must mean something as well - not having any health issues must count - bringing my wife along with full qualifications as teacher and keen to contribute in this field once in Australia must also put weight in the matter .....and so on. None of the above points by themselves would sway to a YES for a visa but surely the sum of them would! We are no intending to lay back and hold up our hands but contribute as much as we can. Australia can't be that stupid that they would refuse people as keen as we are, they'd only have to grasp this in our case! So the route may be long but I'm sure that there is a way for us! E&R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cow Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi again, I did not delete any of your posts? Just moved it to migration. I moved it because I think it may get more replies in this section. I still think your ages are against you for a visa. Not trying to be harsh, honestly, just being realistic. I don't doubt that you have valued skills but you still have to qualify for a visa! Have you got relatives here? What are their relations to you? Have you consulted a migration agent? I'm not sure about the amount of money you need to have for a retirement visa, but I know it's a lot of money. We are here to help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest9520 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi again, I did not delete any of your posts? Just moved it to migration. I moved it because I think it may get more replies in this section. I still think your ages are against you for a visa. Not trying to be harsh, honestly, just being realistic. I don't doubt that you have valued skills but you still have to qualify for a visa! Have you got relatives here? What are their relations to you? Have you consulted a migration agent? I'm not sure about the amount of money you need to have for a retirement visa, but I know it's a lot of money. We are here to help! Hi, One or two messages have disappeared since the move, for instance the one where you replied, quote: " Ok, ignore my question on your other thread lol. I'm afraid your ages are almost certainly not going to get you visas. Did you not get citizenship when you lived here?" ...but never mind them, that has been overcome now. Our relatives are three cousins and an aunt in Perth and one sister in Denmark(W-A). But since they are not depending on us and we not depending on them for anything other than possible sponsorship I have not been able to find support in that relationship for any visa I've seen details of so far. Along the grapevine I heard about an amount of 1 million dollars for a retirement visa but that does not sound like a sensible amount. And anyway, I still hope to come before a retirement age with some input from us in the Australian community, we don't intend to come just to spend our pensioners holidays there or to come and hold up our hands. Even as a pensioner I intend to continue my input in a couple of areas like beekeeping, ham radio, car clubs, brass bands and assisting people with certain medical conditions, the last one being the most important one to me. A migration agent does not sound attractive at this stage and I first want to exhaust everything that we can do ourselves before placing it in the hands of an external source. Some events within the family will also have to be concluded before we can take the definite step. E&R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cow Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi again, that thread is still there. You submitted two threads and I just put this one in the migration section lol. If you do not qualify for a visa then how can you migrate? You have no sponsors, you can't qualify for skilled visas because age is not on your side? You can't do the retirement visa? And you don't want to consult a migration agent? Seriously, are you for real? I have exhausted my advice for you! What answers are you looking for? Indulge me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastie Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how good you are or how determined you are. The visa process is based on hard facts. The first one and most important is age. Very few employers will employ someone in their late 50s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest9520 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi again, that thread is still there. You submitted two threads and I just put this one in the migration section lol. If you do not qualify for a visa then how can you migrate? You have no sponsors, you can't qualify for skilled visas because age is not on your side? You can't do the retirement visa? And you don't want to consult a migration agent? Seriously, are you for real? I have exhausted my advice for you! What answers are you looking for? Indulge me. Hi Three of the claims that you made in your response are incorrect: - Writing that we have no sponsors is incorrect. We have sponsors in not just one but all the relatives that I named earlier - Writing that we can't do the retirement visa is incorrect. We may very well fulfill the requirement for a retirement visa, but the definite answer would only be known if the required amount attached to this visa is given. - Writing that we do not want to use a migration agent is incorrect. We do not object to a migration agent but place a condition on the use of an agent, namely that we first exhaust the things that we can find out ourselves....taking part in this forum is just one part of that.... And yes, we are very real! Of course I can't reply logically to a question like: "What answers are you looking for?". If I had the answers already then there would no longer be a need for questions. E&R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest9520 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 It doesn't matter how good you are or how determined you are. The visa process is based on hard facts. The first one and most important is age. Very few employers will employ someone in their late 50s. Yes, it's true that the hard facts are those shown on the immigration dept. website but I am sure that in many cases a personal interview can make the difference. It would surprise me if their website and papers really can cover the possibilities for the full 100%, a personal interview and helpful personnel may just reveal ways that were hard to put on paper. I would not be surprised if I could find an employer in Perth but that fact alone would still not be enough to the immigration department to reward me with a visa. But taking all those earlier named points together they would be mad not to see it's value....and that possibly requires a personal interview. Has anyone here done that under similar conditions? E&R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastie Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Yes, it's true that the hard facts are those shown on the immigration dept. website but I am sure that in many cases a personal interview can make the difference. It would surprise me if their website and papers really can cover the possibilities for the full 100%, a personal interview and helpful personnel may just reveal ways that were hard to put on paper.I would not be surprised if I could find an employer in Perth but that fact alone would still not be enough to the immigration department to reward me with a visa. But taking all those earlier named points together they would be mad not to see it's value....and that possibly requires a personal interview. Has anyone here done that under similar conditions? E&R The immigration department must act within the Australian Immigration Law. The law clearly states that the applicant must meet the criteria described by the act. They can't just set up a personal interview just for you. It is an open and fair process for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cow Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Hi Three of the claims that you made in your response are incorrect: - Writing that we have no sponsors is incorrect. We have sponsors in not just one but all the relatives that I named earlier - Writing that we can't do the retirement visa is incorrect. We may very well fulfill the requirement for a retirement visa, but the definite answer would only be known if the required amount attached to this visa is given. - Writing that we do not want to use a migration agent is incorrect. We do not object to a migration agent but place a condition on the use of an agent, namely that we first exhaust the things that we can find out ourselves....taking part in this forum is just one part of that.... And yes, we are very real! Of course I can't reply logically to a question like: "What answers are you looking for?". If I had the answers already then there would no longer be a need for questions. E&R Maybe were getting our wires crossed here! Anyhow,you're not making any logical sense to me? You have not got many options at all for a visa, as has already been explained to you. A I recommended to you, seek advice from a registered migration agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DyLeB Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 (edited) what we have to offer together must also add up to a point of acceptance.For example: - bringing along a certain sum of money must mean something - depending which visa yes - but many others no, unless you have $5 milllion and there is the Significant investor visa. - having more than one relative wanting to sponsor us must count - No - having been highly recommended in my line of work back then by a shire must even today have some value - not really, Skilled Migrants require Positive skills assessments to prove that the are qualified and experianced to do the occupation that they nominate. - having since 7 year back been an international point of support for people who need medical intervention of a particular kind must even be of value to the Australian society - ????not sure what you are trying to say here - sorry. - being willing to shift my pension age to 70 and contribute in Australia must mean something as well - You would only be able to do this once you are a PR - catch 22 - not having any health issues must count - bringing my wife along with full qualifications as teacher and keen to contribute in this field once in Australia must also put weight in the matter .....and so on. - You stated before that your wife is a primary teacher, this occupation on on CSOL and requires state nomination or employer sponsorship, not many states sponsor primary teachers, and they find it hard to find work, especially as there are many Australian teaching graduates that cant find work competition is high. None of the above points by themselves would sway to a YES for a visa but surely the sum of them would! Not really sorry We are no intending to lay back and hold up our hands but contribute as much as we can. Australia can't be that stupid that they would refuse people as keen as we are, they'd only have to grasp this in our case! Australia is not being stupid, but especially the skilled migration program is looking for migrants that have the skills and work experience and are able to contribute to Australia in the future. Your age is the major stumbling block... The points test changes a few years ago, that for the age, now 25-32 year old age bracket now receive the highest number of points, as it was found that this age bracket was better qualified and had more experience than the younger age bracket who were getting the most points. This age bracket would also contribute more as they would be working longer with higher salarys, as more likely to get better jobs due to there experience when in Australia, and they are more likely to be bringing their family who in turn would contribute to Australia. So I personally dont feel that Australia is being stupid. Hi Three of the claims that you made in your response are incorrect: - Writing that we have no sponsors is incorrect. We have sponsors in not just one but all the relatives that I named earlier - Writing that we can't do the retirement visa is incorrect. We may very well fulfill the requirement for a retirement visa, but the definite answer would only be known if the required amount attached to this visa is given. - Writing that we do not want to use a migration agent is incorrect. We do not object to a migration agent but place a condition on the use of an agent, namely that we first exhaust the things that we can find out ourselves....taking part in this forum is just one part of that.... And yes, we are very real! Of course I can't reply logically to a question like: "What answers are you looking for?". If I had the answers already then there would no longer be a need for questions. E&R The sponsors that you have are no help to you, alot has changed in migration over the last few years, the only skilled visa that a family can sponsor for is 489 (which you are not eligible for due to age). This is only a Provisional Visa, and the sponsor must live in regional Australia and visa applicant requires occupation on SOL 1, and can only apply for PR after 2 years living and working in Regional Australia. The days of family being able to sponsor are coming to an end. With your ages the only visa that a family member would be able to successfully sponsor you for would be a Parent Visa, but again, you are not eligible. Even Parents of PR or Citizens have to jump through hoops to be able to migrate to be with their family, i.e. half of their children must live permanently in Australia, and there is a 15 year waiting list, or pay almost $100,000 for a couple. The retirement visa is a 4 year temporary residency visa, there will be no way to ever making this Permanent, also you can only work 40 hrs per fortnight. Also you need to be sponsored by a state or territory. From everything you have posted if you wanted to move to Australia as PR, your only option would be to be sponsored as 457 visa, and after 4 years working on this visa if you meet the high income threshold for each of the 4 years, which is currently around $123,300 per year, your employer can sponsor for PR with age exemption, but that is dependent on you meeting the requirement and the Migration Regulations not changing in this time. Unless your occupation is specialised enough to be able to get a salary of this level, you really dont much options. You would be best to run the full facts of your case to a Registered Migration Agent with more specilised knowledge to see if they can help you - but with everything you have posted - I dont personally see any options for you to migrated to Australia on a permanent bases, apart from the very risky 457 option. Edited February 24, 2013 by DyLeB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Cow Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Australia is not being stupid, but especially the skilled migration program is looking for migrants that have the skills and work experience and are able to contribute to Australia in the future. Your age is the major stumbling block... The points test changes a few years ago, that for the age, now 25-32 year old age bracket now receive the highest number of points, as it was found that this age bracket was better qualified and had more experience than the younger age bracket who were getting the most points. This age bracket would also contribute more as they would be working longer with higher salarys, as more likely to get better jobs due to there experience when in Australia, and they are more likely to be bringing their family who in turn would contribute to Australia. So I personally dont feel that Australia is being stupid. The sponsors that you have are no help to you, alot has changed in migration over the last few years, the only skilled visa that a family can sponsor for is 489 (which you are not eligible for due to age). This is only a Provisional Visa, and the sponsor must live in regional Australia and visa applicant requires occupation on SOL 1, and can only apply for PR after 2 years living and working in Regional Australia. The days of family being able to sponsor are coming to an end. With your ages the only visa that a family member would be able to successfully sponsor you for would be a Parent Visa, but again, you are not eligible. Even Parents of PR or Citizens have to jump through hoops to be able to migrate to be with their family, i.e. half of their children must live permanently in Australia, and there is a 15 year waiting list, or pay almost $100,000 for a couple. The retirement visa is a 4 year temporary residency visa, there will be no way to ever making this Permanent, also you can only work 40 hrs per fortnight. Also you need to be sponsored by a state or territory. From everything you have posted if you wanted to move to Australia as PR, your only option would be to be sponsored as 457 visa, and after 4 years working on this visa if you meet the high income threshold for each of the 4 years, which is currently around $123,300 per year, your employer can sponsor for PR with age exemption, but that is dependent on you meeting the requirement and the Migration Regulations not changing in this time. Unless your occupation is specialised enough to be able to get a salary of this level, you really dont much options. You would be best to run the full facts of your case to a Registered Migration Agent with more specilised knowledge to see if they can help you - but with everything you have posted - I dont personally see any options for you to migrated to Australia on a permanent bases, apart from the very risky 457 option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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